Posts by Vernon Williams

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Who on this Board would love to get rid of Organized Religion?

by restrangled in

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imho....it all needs to go.

its influencing everything in this world every and anywhere.

from the saudies, to the people in irag, iran and anywhere else our sons will need to be sent.. our current president claims he is influenced along with the former prime minister of england by religious beliefs.. there is the huge evangelical influence that got bush and the mess he made who put them in to begin with.. we have the jw's causing absolute havic in anyone's lives connected with this stupidity.. it goes on and on and on.

Vernon Williams

Not me: any time you get a group together you have "organization."

To follow through with your thought, the Church would have to go: No thanks, I vote to keep it warts, scars, bad history, and all.

Take care,

V

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2012

by Vernon Williams in

hey guys,.

an ex jw friend of ours ask about 2012. her sister went to a ca and the/a speaker(s) mentioned 2012?

this friend of ours was asking if i had noticed anything on this board about that date.

Vernon Williams

Hey guys,

An ex JW friend of ours ask about 2012. Her sister went to a CA and the/a speaker(s) mentioned 2012? This friend of ours was asking if I had noticed anything on this board about that date. I have been distracted so badly that I have not been keeping up.....help, please......

V

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There is so much pain...

by justhuman in

i don't know why things in life happened...i don't know why i was born in the most destructive cults ever existed.

my childhood was so miserable...is not nice to see the other kids at your age celebrating xmas and birthdays and other holidays.

my whole world was somewhere between kindom hall and field service with my pioneers parents.. i hardly finished high school because i was supposed to live in the generation that by no means will pass way.

Vernon Williams

JH,

Thank you for your last post.

Hey guy, you have a lot going for you. The fact that your culture has strong family ties: that must "bleed over" into relationships, also. You have the type of interests that promote social interaction. Once those opportunitiies start developing..you will be fine. There is this void.....a large space of loss.....only people can fill that. Also, you seem to have a "natural" spirituality...that will grow, too. So, JH, though you are in a pit of slime, you have the abilities and circumstances to crawl out....you will be mucky, dirty for a while....but that will wash off.

All in all, as bad as it is for you (and, I am not down-playing that) I think you have a lot of assets and you will, once you get over this time of shock and rage, do great.

I was so tired last night....just felll into bed....however, I did an abbreviated bed time prayer and mentioned you....and OOMPA...you gotta love that guy....and, checked the board before I am off to work to see how you were. I was glad you posted.

KEEP POSTING and keep us updated.....especially the low times....

Take care, bro......

Yours in this Journey,

V

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There is so much pain...

by justhuman in

i don't know why things in life happened...i don't know why i was born in the most destructive cults ever existed.

my childhood was so miserable...is not nice to see the other kids at your age celebrating xmas and birthdays and other holidays.

my whole world was somewhere between kindom hall and field service with my pioneers parents.. i hardly finished high school because i was supposed to live in the generation that by no means will pass way.

Vernon Williams

JH,

Just got home from work....almost two in the morning....had to respond to your post.

Your "story" is our story, bro. Tweak any one of us here or there and you have it. You are amoung friends. My forty plus years were a waste: stuffing feed in the arse of a proverbial dead horse. Pure waste: worse for my kids and wife.

We are raising my wife's great nephew: I watch his excitement over birthdays and holidays and grieve over what my kids missed. The dis-advantage of being with out education due to following the WT's guidelines...the whole thing....alll of it just cosmically sucks.

Yet, no matter what, no matter how late, no matter the cost THIS.....this path of truth and light we have found as a way out of the insanity of the WT...THIS is better: so much so that with all the regret and pain you and I have discussed it is still worth it.

No...the pain...the harsh reality of loss will not just disapear, BUT, is will grow smaller....never disapear, not this side of Judgement, anyway, but it gets less and less as we fill that hole up with new experiences and relationships. Also, with your clarity of vision, you will assist your children. And, you may, still, assist your wife....life is funny that way....

So, late at night here in the US....thinking of you and wishing you well. Your post was great. I will begin holding your name up in prayer during my bedtime prayers. I keep several here in my prayers....I have been thinking of OOMPA a lot and several others.....I will be specific with you: asking our Lord's mercy on you: for strength, patience, and peace...so hard to find.

Till later,

With you in this Struggle,

In Christ by a shared History and commonn concerns,

V PS: KEEP POSTING!!

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Continued Prediction

by Vernon Williams in

i have brought this up before, however, am posting, again, for lurkers and new ones to the board.

this is an addendum to the threads on the generation change, etc....... the 144,000 is taken out of the tribes.

i have, yet, to see an explanation of who the tribes are.. this is what will happen:.

Vernon Williams

E,

My problem is this: with the JWs, most "tongue in cheek" comments make more sense than any sort of [attempted] "logic..." especially by this old hillbilly theologin....

Take care..off to the hatchery....

V

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My youngest daughter "busted for drugs...."

by Vernon Williams in

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every parent's nightmare: a child busted for drugs.... leah, our youngest, was driving through billingss, mo, a little town between here and springfield.

speeding.

pulled over.

Vernon Williams

Leah checked and there is not a record of any type. She does not know how they reached the conclusion it was basil.

As kids in the Ozarks, we smoked grapevine...I tried it once, I think.....pretty gross...that is the extent of my drug experience...

V

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Continued Prediction

by Vernon Williams in

i have brought this up before, however, am posting, again, for lurkers and new ones to the board.

this is an addendum to the threads on the generation change, etc....... the 144,000 is taken out of the tribes.

i have, yet, to see an explanation of who the tribes are.. this is what will happen:.

Vernon Williams

E,

I think they will, always, keep the two party system: this is one thing that will not change.

I was meditating on this last night:

I would not debate the fact that, in some way, the Kingdom is "govermental." If we define this fact, as the JWs do, and THEN inculcate this in our definition the central theme of The Good News things can get tweaked. If we define the central theme of The Good News and, and, then, say it is "govermental" things make sense, Scripturally.

The govermental aspect of JW mythology will not change.

However, the participation in the Lord"s Meal will as all must come under the New Covenant.

I have predicted this for five years...since being booted. The mutations are headed that way.....

Thanks for the response,

V

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Are the Creative days 7000 years long?

by Steve J in

where does the idea that the creative days of the genesis account were 7,000 years long come from?.

genesis doesn't suggest that they were specific time periods, but shows that one "day" extended into others.

i feel that the clue is in the words; "and there was an evening and there was a morning, a first day.

Vernon Williams

Steve,

Welcome to the Board.

Here is where science and the interpretaiton of the Bible conflict (Notice I said "interpertaion of the Bible" NOT "Bible")

There is no doubt AT ALL that the Earth's age is ancient and that the record of many epochs that are buried in the rock is very, very old. It is simply an impossibility that the Earth's productive days are only 50,000 years old. Our six year old would not even believe that, dinasour addict that he is.

Thsi fact does not nullify the aurthority of Scripture.

Wishing you well in this Joureny,

V

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Continued Prediction

by Vernon Williams in

i have brought this up before, however, am posting, again, for lurkers and new ones to the board.

this is an addendum to the threads on the generation change, etc....... the 144,000 is taken out of the tribes.

i have, yet, to see an explanation of who the tribes are.. this is what will happen:.

Vernon Williams

To All,

I have brought this up before, however, am posting, again, for lurkers and new ones to the board. This is an addendum to the threads on the generation change, etc......

The 144,000 is taken out of the tribes. I have, yet, to see an explanation of who the tribes are.

This is what will happen:

"Spiritual Israel" will be described as "all of Jehovah"s Faithful Servants." Everyone will be brought in under the umbrella of the New Covenant. Jesus will, then, be a mediator for everyone as it should be. The tribes in Revelation will be this Spiritual Israel. Everyone will participate in the bastardized, annual JW Lord's Meal partaking of the bread and wine.

I believe they will make the 144,000 symbolic as the other three attributes of this group are:

Number: 144.000

Sex: Male]

Nationality: Jew

Sexual Status: Virgin

The GB holds the first literal, the other three symbolic. Or, they could change the time frame of the 144,000 to post 1875 which, actually, fit the nujmbers better.

Either way, the mutations happening are headed, in my opinion, to the above conclusion. This finalized result would solve a LOT of problems for the GB and the dubs will be urinating thier diapered fannies at the "blessing" of this New Light in that they, FINALLY, get to partake of the Emblems.

My take on the wierdness.....

Yours in this unfolding, spritual soap opera.....

V

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Me and Wife voted for the first time today!!!! And he won?? Praise Jah??

by Witness 007 in

it felt wierd voting for the first time...looking around the front car park to make sure no "brothers" were around.

we went secretly at 5;50 pm just before voting closed.

i'm so damn paranoid!

Vernon Williams

Congrads....I first voted in 04.....

Wishing you continued progress,

V